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Sunday, September 14, 2014

Hostility in Mississippi

Last night, the $1/3 with Mississippi Straddle was a whole different world.  The game was crazier than the old Charles Town at its finest.  By the time I got seated at around 10:00 pm, many at the table had already built huge stacks. And, possibly as a result, $15 straddles were common.  No.  Strike that.  They were nearly mandatory.  And, when a hand went unstraddled, there was a $15 to $18 opening raise.  And there were callers.  Lots.  Like 4 to 5 every hand. $200-plus pre flop pots half the orbit.  Frankly, I was lost.

I tightened up my range, looking for a spot to exploit.  It never came.  I had crap all night.  I played 3 hours, and won zero hands.

Early on, I had AQ in early position and opened to $15.  I got 5 callers.  The flop was 7 J T.  I needed a K.  I chose not to continue given my position in the hand and my perception of the field.  Of course, someone wasted no time in betting out $50 or so and got two calls.  I was done.

Two hours in, I got on a run of A-rag.  Seven hands in a row. Seriously.  Seven in a row.  I played none of them.  It seemed to me to be bad poker to get involved in a hand for the going rate with A-rag. Of course, in hindsight,  I would have won a few of those hands.  Big pots, where people bet into A-high boards with hands like 99 . . . or flopped middle pair.  The most painful - I folded A4 diamonds in early position, and saw the third diamond hit the turn.  Some kid ultimately dragged a $200-plus pot with K 2 diamonds.  Pretty painful to watch.  But, of course, for me to have gotten to the turn, I would have had to play for $23 pre flop, and then called $70 or so on the flop with my draw.

After several hours of folding hands and watching in horror as people won monster pots with often-times mediocre holdings, I looked down at TT . . . in the big blind.  Of course.    4 people limp for $3 and the small blind (a fairly tight player) raises to $12.  I three-bet to $35.  Small blind calls.  Flop is A Q 4.  Perfect.  He shoves his last $125 or so.  Another $35 in the hole.

A little while later, I look down at 44 in position.   After a $17 raise and 5 callers, I join the party.   Of course, no 4 on the flop.  Instead, the guy next to me wins $300 or so with . . . . his set of 3's.  FML.  

At that point, I was done.  I was down $95, and I could feel myself about to start pushing things.  I didn't want to leave busto. So I walked.

I'm not sure I'm ready to handle this type of game.  What's the strategy?  Was I playing the table correctly?  Did I just have a bad run of cards?  The guy next to me hit 3 or 4 sets while I sat there, and built his $300 to $1,100 or so.  Old guy on the other side of me built a $1,500 stack.   I won no hands.  Frustrating weekend of poker.

Aside:  Earlier in the day, I was enjoying a frosty beer and mashing a Sex in the City Machine (SHUT UP!!!!).   Some dude in a suit walks up behind me and I hear:  "Mr. Peters?"  Um.  Crap. What the hell did I do?  Turns out, he introduces himself as Richard, a VIP host, and he wants to know if I need anything.  Nice.  But also a little freaky.  Goes to show you that Big Brother (ehhm . . . Gary Loveman) is always watching you in his casino.  This host obviously found me based on my players card being active in the machine.   While it's nice to now have a host, I hate knowing my play is always being so closely followed.

27 comments:

  1. One of those nights Mr Peters. Still you had the good sense to walk when things were going poorly and it didn't cost you an arm and a leg. Unlike the guy playing at my table. In that situation if I'm not catching any premium starting hands or making some flopped sets, I'm going down with the same ship you are. Some people might loosen up and try to flop a monster but when I try to play that way it never seems to happen.

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  2. There's a woman I've played poker with several times. Super sweet lady. Real nice. A lot of times I've seen her buy everyone at the table lunch out of her comps. Or if it is at night and there is someone who has been drinking she will give them one of her comped rooms. She is a big time slot player. Has the highest level of players card possible. When the casino has big drawings like giving out 100 TVs in a day, I've seen her win several of them because she has so many entries from her slot play.

    Anyway, I've been at a table before as she has just gotten to the casino, and within five minutes of them swiping her player's card, there is a host asking if they can get her anything (cigarettes, food, a room, etc). I always picture a red flashing light and a warning klaxon blaring somewhere in the bowels of the casino like in a submarine movie. "Man your stations. The great whale has been spotted."

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  3. TBC usually deals with casino hosts. Congratulations on finally moving into the big leagues with Tony and the other whales.

    On another note ... I started play last night at a table with big stacks and where several players were seriously aggro. It doesn't take much to lose a lot fast. I moved to the other table rather quickly.

    You've given up on Miss Kitty?

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  4. i think john doe has a bromance with the counselor????

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  5. Congrats on quitting when you did. Not only were you not winning, you weren't enjoying it. How to play in games like that? I have no idea, but I'd guess you played the right way.

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  6. Ugh, a couple of brutal nites of poker back to back. Sorry.

    OTH, having a casino host who will get your anything you want is pretty cool. Congrats on reaching that status.

    Do you prefer blondes, brunettes or redheads?

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  7. Short answer if I am not pulling pots or if am not winning in two dealer downs, I would try a seat change or I would try a table change.

    I am glad you walked out when it is not working out for you. I would only change my style with premium hands or premiums combo hands.

    GolfPro

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    1. GP, have you been playing the Shoe at all? If so, what's your experience been with the level / type of play?

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    2. NOOOOOO! I'm never leaving this juicy of a table.

      PPP you played it correctly IMO. You should be almost exclusively value oriented at a table like this. One thing you can do if there is a straddle and several calls is shove some of the middle of your range 77-JJ, AK, AQ, etc. Think of it like a late game tournament where stacks are shallower. If people are straddling to $15 and average stacks are $200 then the average stack is only 13-15-ish BB. Taking down $60-75 pre flop is good. With my super premiums in this spot I would raise but not shove. Maybe go to 75 or so and then basically never folding.

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    3. Thanks Brian. As for shoving the middle of my range . . . the opportunity never arose. As mentioned, I had AQ once early and opened with it to a raise . . . And had TT in the blind where there were limps and a $12 raise by the SB. There, I thought a three bet to $35 was appropriate . . .

      I'll have to give that try if the situation arises next time. Although, frankly, it would be interesting because I'm pretty sure there would be a call or two!

      It's going to take some getting use to for me to feel comfortable with this style of play.

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    4. In very loose tables, in early position, with top pair type of hands like AQ, I'm looking to limp re-raise with these hands. I'm not looking to play multiway out of position. You might have a slightly bigger pot, but you will be heads up or just take it down preflop.

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  8. We all love for those table we all look for those kinda tables. It sucks to be card dead at that time.

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  9. if the table was as u said i wouldn t have left it til i was up

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    1. Tony -- this is exactly one of your biggest leaks in poker, gambling and life.

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    2. parenting skills and dirty microwaves too.

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  10. P Cube,

    The level of play is horrendous. I have only played once. The thing about the 1/3, as it is playing big, is that I wouldn't even get in with speculative hands. Once I have a strong hand or strong drawing hand I played it very aggressively.

    Suck outs did happen, but, the Chinese/Korean guy I was playing was so bad, stacked him twice when I had a set vs his two pair and straight vs his top pair.

    If things are looking painful in terms of hands or the play and if it is not working out for you I would use a much needed break for a drink/food etc.,

    GolfPro

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    1. This is good to hear. Frankly, Saturday, I felt like *I* was the idiot at the table, mainly because I was totally uninvolved. I felt like *I* was the one who did not know how to play poker. Perhaps it was just a bad run of luck/cards . . .

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    2. ... or you just really suck! rofl

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  11. have they decriminalized the ganja yet???

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  12. also did u notice if any omaha games?? if so stakes?? limit/PLO?? and do they serve mountian dew??

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  13. 3P, you have to loosen your standards here. For a number of reasons.

    1) You can afford it.
    2) You are drinking Miller Lite
    3) Folding is boring
    4) The devils game is calling (66, and you hit that damn 6, but never 4OK)
    5) You still like winning against people who are lucky to make 1/10th your salary. And lets not mention investments- which are good but not where they need to be.

    Something to consider in a super LAG game like this is to actually shove when OOP with TT+ as preflop action is relative to under 20X stacks once it gets to you.

    You usually win with no contest, but if called, it's someone with A-rag who doesn't believe you.

    But just like going AI in a tourney, the move works every time- except for the last time. ;)

    -JP in Philly

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    1. 6) i think shoving meat into a person's manhole is illegal,mayb

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    2. #5 . . . The Chinese government -- in particular, the corruption crackdown in Macau -- has been painful.... Only one thing to do - buy more shares of MPEL/LVS . . . I'm, like, very "overweight" in the gaming sector at the moment . . .

      Two years from now, this risk will either pay off . . . or I'll be tying to convince TBC to be roommates . . .

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    3. REAL WORLD BALTIMORE!!!!!!!!!! mayb John Doe will stop by 4 a tug or 2

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  14. I believe the crackdown will be like the others and blow over after a while. The reason being is that the people doing the crackdown have accepted money as well... But just not nearly as much.

    But then the other part stands... Yes, you can go into the high limit area and get slayed, or stick with max bet quarter poker and just get skinned so that you can receive those sweet suite points- which we know is more expensive than just paying for it but we justify it anyway.

    :)

    JP in Philly

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