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Sunday, April 10, 2016

Chuck Redux

I was supposed to be in Vegas this weekend.  I cancelled because I was afraid work would blow up and was not sure I'd be able to take Friday off.  I made a reservation for Atlantic City, instead.  Then, work blew up.  So, I figured Id make a quick trip to Delaware Park for the Saturday noon tournament.  But, then, Friday, work blew up some more and I had to cancel that too.  Luckily, after working most of Saturday, I took off for a few hours of cash at The Chuck.

It was an interesting session.  Within the first hour, I had JJ twice . . . TT twice . . . and KK.  And, I lost them all.

The first JJ was somewhat standard.  I was sitting on a full buy in, and opened the action to $12.  One call.  The flop was K(h) T(x) 3(h).  I lead out on the flop, and he called.  The turn was a third heart, and I check folded.  Somewhat weak, perhaps, but I was not looking to go to war on my first hand played.

A few hands later, I was dealt TT.  I raised to $12, got two calls, and was re-raised to $45. Fold.

Fifteen minute later, I look down at JJ again.  I'm sitting on about $270 at the time.  I raise to $12 and get a call from a regular, who was sitting on well over a grand, and had just made two huge bluffs to take down nice size pots.  My impression, at the time, was that he was a maniac who did not care much about his chips, or was simply abusing his stack.   The flop was 7 T 4.  I bet $20 and he called.  The turn was a Q.  I checked.  Now, I did not check because of the over card.  I checked for two reasons.  First, I sometimes take this line with a big pair against an opponent I think is floating.  I think (I hope) it makes my flop bet look like a C-bet, and, hopefully, induces a floater to try and take a stab at the pot on the turn.  Second, and of less importance, the check helps with pot control.  On cue, maniac bets $75.  Yes, $75 into an approximately $65 pot.  Hhmm.  Again, my read at the time was that this guy was a bluffing maniac.  If I call $75, I've got $163 behind.  And I'm certain that this villain is getting a large river bet in.  So, if I call the turn, I'm basically committing my stack.  Now, I really don't give villain the queen.  I really have NO IDEA what his range is here.  I decide to stick it in.  My thought being (a) I don't want to fold JJ in this spot.  If I call, my stack is going on on the river.  So, I might as well be the aggressor.   Villain snaps and tables AQ.  Ouch. 

Villain, by the way, starts telling me he KNEW I had JJ because I checked the Q.  He kept saying, "I was gonna call your hand . . . I was gonna call your hand."  Um.  OK.  Again, that was not at ALL why I checked the turn.  Of course, under the circumstances, the way the hand played out, my check possibly screwed me if it did give him that read.  Otherwise, perhaps I'm able to get villain off top pair if I continue to barrel with my JJ.  But, given his stack size, and given his style, it's doubtful.  Anyway, on with the game.  REBUY!

First hand post rebut - TT.  I open the action to $12, get 4 callers, and give up when two over cards hit the flop.  No sense C-betting into that mess.

A little while later, KK UTG+1.  I open to $12 and get 4 callers.  Of course.   The flop is A Q 7.  It checks to me and I check and it checks through.   The big blind checks the turn to me, and I check and it checks through. River blanks.  Big blind checks to me.  Fuck it. I check.  AND IT CHECKS THROUGH. I think my KK is good, and I'm going to at least scoop $40.  Then, Big blind tables AJ!!!  Ugh.  Weird hand, but likely lost the minimum. 

At this point, I was down about $340, when my night began to turn around.  And it started with JJ . . . again. . . against the big stacked maniac . . . again.    Aggro limps, I raise to $12, random dude calls  . . . aggro calls.   The flop was 7 6 T.    Agrro leads for $25.  I flat.  Random guy mucks.  The turn is a K.  Aggro checks, I check through.  River is a 6.  Aggro checks.  I start cutting chips. He starts in, "if you want a call, make the bet small . . ."  I go with $50 (into approx. $80).  He tanks and calls with A T.    Got a few of my old chips back . . .

From there, I opened QQ to $12 and got 5 callers.  I expected another disastrous hand, until a Q hit the flop.   I also hit a set of threes and stacked QT on a QT3xx board.  And, finally, I turned broadway with KJ suited on a AQx flop.  It was 5 ways, and pretty poor player bet $15 . . . I took a stab at it and got lucky . . .

In the end, I caused out $665 after a fairly quick 3:30 hour session . . .

18 comments:

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    1. Ha! I was in for $600. Not sure $60 profit is "BOOM" worthy. But, thanks

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    2. After being 340 in the hole - absolutely a great save...

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  2. Hmmm ... I've got to get whatever you got at the end to make your good hands hold. Congrats, sir.

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    1. Um. Good one. After the past few sessions, I'm not sure I've got some run-good magic . . . I'm still less than 50% with my sets/boats over the past three weeks. That does not seem like a heater to me.

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  3. Nice cash.

    Twice you opened for $12 and got four callers. Is $12 the normal opening? Does that amount usually get four callers?

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    1. Depends. Depends on the table. Lately, $12 has been enough at this Casino to thin the heard. Last night, though, not so much. Perhaps it was the maniac who was playing a ton of hands and inducing more calls than normal. I probably should have adjusted a bit. But, I'm not sure $15 or $17 would have made much of a difference at this table besides just juicing up the pots.

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  4. A solid winner after being in the hole! Why not check out the 'Shoe again? Give it a try & see what happens?

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    1. Now that baseball is here again, I'm sure I'll be back at the Shoe . . .

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  5. Pete, the JJ hand with $270 starting stack: you checked the turn hoping he would bet which he did. What you are saying is that you are putting him on 9,9 or lower excluding trips. Those hands can include AK, AQ, AJ, and AT. When he bets $75 into a $65 pot, to me, this screams "slow down" but you "accelerated." I would call the $75 and check the river. Reason being, I want to see if he fires another bullet. The size of his river bet gives us more info and we close the action if he bets. In this case, with AQ, he is definitely going to bet $75+ on the river and that's a fold for me. Nice comeback!

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    1. xdex - I'm not sure it's so simple. Forget about the results for the moment and look at the hand itself: Raised to $12 PF, one caller + blinds = $27 in the middle or thereabout. PPP flops an overpair to the T 7 4 [rainbow?] board. Pretty disconnected board, but I think you have a vulnerable hand that has to cbet for value. I like charging more on the flop - $25 or so but, regardless, $20 isn't a huge difference; 2/3+ pot vs. pot is close enough. The turn brings a Q What hands call a PF raise + flop bet (I think we can safely rule out AA, KK, QQ)? JT, T9, 98, AT, KT, QT, J9, Q9(?) sticky 99, 88, A7, A4, 78, 79 and finally random floats and bluff setups for future streets.

      If this guy is bluffy as described, I don't have a problem with PPP letting him hang himself by a turn bet. The bet sizing is the catch, as you pointed out. My question to PPP is how have his bets been in the past hands? Has been overbetting like that for bluff or value? It's hard to put him on any hands out of the range listed above that include a Q since it's only about 2 / 14 hands... maybe 15%+ of his range. Since he's such a frequent bluffer, that should play into the hand as well.

      I agree with the root of your argument about pushing on the brakes rather than accelerating. PPP purposely checks to let him bluff, turning PPP's hand into a "bluff catcher." When a bluff catching hand pushes into the bluffer, the bluffer is usually only calling with better hands - hence the term. Therefore, a check / call and a check / call is more optimal IMO if we're going with PPP's original read. I really think if PPP calls turn for $75 he has to call river. Results-wise, sounds like PPP got unlucky that villain shows up with a 6 outter on the turn.

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    2. Appreciate your input. As you know, I'm more for small ball play and sticking around to see more hands with $163. But if PPP was correct and the $75 was a bluff, then the shove on the turn gets a fold and PPP is sitting on ~$375.

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    3. Don't get me wrong - I'm not for shoving the turn at all. I think the whole reason he checks turn is to induce a bluff. He gets his bluff but then shoves over? Doesn't add up. He turns his hand into a bluff catcher - therefore, he needs to c/c and c/c rivers rather than shut out all bluffs by shoving over and only getting hands that beat him to call.

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    4. Thanks PM and xdex7. Good points. Turn shove was ill-advised in retrospect. I just hated to call in that spot. I don't think villain is stopping on the river, even with air. So, my stack is going in. But, I guess the point is, if bluff truly is my read, a shove folds him out, where as call-call makes money . . .

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    6. We learn as we go and I'm definitely still learning a lot. I'm going to give this blogging business a shot so stop by if you have some time to kill haha.

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